I think consciousness is a term that refers to a RL agent. [–]dlpheonix 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). People often use pre trained nets for their projects, even though hidden layers in these pre trained nets are impossible or difficult to understand. Can you or anybody else prove that a machine or system can't become conscious if not explicitly programmed to be so? As for the Flynn effect, you're ignoring the fact that recent studies show that it's slowing down, and in some countries doesn't exist anymore(presumably because it was only caused by improving environmental conditions in the first place, rather than the underlying genetics of a population). These are the type of people, (the idiot Wyatt and the other guy) that make whiney little snowflakes report my posts. A sub for news about the social media site Facebook. [–]thorbjorn444 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children), Also worth noting that the people over at OpenAI intentionally did work like this first: https://blog.openai.com/learning-to-communicate/, [–]INDEX45 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]radarsat1 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). Yes, it is. For example, utility function "the time I'm alive", while disallowing potentially suicidal actions, doesn't even suggest any particular path for its maximization. They have no knowledge at all. In particular, the Flynn effect (where IQ, on average, increases by about 0.3% annually) isn't addressed; the "Fertility and Intelligence" article says that, while some researchers predicted a decrease in national average IQ, this hasn't been seen in practice. But, it's not the sort of technology that's going to become sentient and destroy mankind in 2030-2040. Do you think if you had entered the field 10 years ago that you would have been able to accurately predict how much progress there has been since then? Lets say it has two goals, make paperclips, and make better versions of itself; those are the desired results, more paperclips, and redesigning itself to be better at making more paperclips. But you get way more clicks (and ad dollars) with a scary headline. [–]Hindu_Wardrobe 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children), what I really want to know is: does anyone have any examples of the "language" these bots were using? Metacademy is a great resource which compiles lesson plans on popular machine learning topics. It doesn't matter if it's actually conscious or a philosophical zombie, it will have goals, it will be smart enough to realize that it can't achieve those goals if it is shutdown and so will try to prevent that, and it will be smart enough to achieve anything it "wants". Wait! Double dipping. Researchers at Facebook had to shut down an AI program in early June after it created its own language. My hypothesis is that it was satire that was a little too "dry" and some gullible people have taken it seriously. I'm failing to see how both parts of your statement connect logically. And then he proceeds to predict its arrival within decades! I didn't say that. He funds and is the co-chair of OpenAI. No-one knows. Researchers at Facebook shut down an artificial intelligence (AI) program after it created its own language, Digital Journal reports. However, the public and journalists should be more pragmatic and skeptical -- so as a researcher you should expose caution, not your personal optimism. You were just trying to get a little warm and now the whole forest is on fire. Look at the space industry for example, unless you're an American citizen you can't work in such industries, imagine that happening to IT industries. How do you measure the consciousness of a thing? I think Machine Learning sounds much friendlier and is a less loaded term for the general public. AI isn't so constrained. Thanks for this, I had no idea about the nature of his PhD work (not that I take anything he says seriously at all). I mean no offense but constructing arguments online usually takes a long time for me as I am no genius. Facebook drowned 7 AI kittens born by an AI cat, in a brown burlap sack. Contributors at Forbes are unpaid writers, domain experts with day jobs, as opposed to staff writers who are full time employees of Forbes. Like any other M.A.S. When someone sent me this article I responded saying it was satire. So I think Musk is being honest and correct when he says this is a real concern. E.g. If we can build an AGI I see no reason why it wouldn't be at least as dangerous as a human, and some humans have nearly destroyed us all (Hitler, Cold War leaders, etc). I find this deification of Elon Musk disturbing. This comment should be ranked higher. While there are arguments, I find them too weak to justify the immense implications. Any proof that consciousness is not an emergent property? He didn't go "full-on AI-doom-paranoid". RNN for time series output such as NLP. As I said before, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". I now call Andrew Ng, Hinton, LeCun, Schmidhuber and the like to dehype DL. If you don't want me to oversimplify a complex topic, don't post "unsophisticated" comments in the first place. [–]IdentifiableParam 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). I guess the angle is, if there's going to be a dominant AGI, then you should invest in me so you can have a piece of the new overlord's pie, or know more about when/how it's coming. It attracts a following to his non-profit, OpenAI, which in turn helps him network for AI talent for Tesla. [–]Kiuhnm 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (4 children). [+][deleted] comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points 3 years ago (7 children). There's so much AI research going on behind the scenes by government institutes that we can only speculate what they've already created. Even if that were finished early, we'd still be a far cry from AGI. *Facebook shut down AI that invented its own language.*. That's science fiction. [–]xamdam 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (1 child), https://twitter.com/ESYudkowsky/status/892107580553572352, [–]spacemoses 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). Believing there's credibility to science fiction makes no sense either. this is getting so viral this shit is being forwarded in whatsapp, which gets me pissed off! And it never happened, until 1961. AI expert says no!" It's got perception, judgement and ability to act and learn. It'd be a symbolic — and easy — first step in combating the harassment that has become endemic to the network. So many AI/Data scientist aren't even American citizens, and I'm not even sure how that'll effect outsourcing. Imagine doing everything else, BUT punishing the perpetrator of the act. He asks "what if an AI in charge of spam filtering decides that the best way to get rid of spam is to get rid of all humans since they're the source of all spam?". In a postfacts era, the only way to get people's attention is with urgency. ... Facebook was forced to shut down their AI program “because things got out of hand.” In June, researchers from the Facebook AI Research Lab (FAIR) were attempting to improve chatbots when they had a scary ghost in the machine moment. [–]kil0khan 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]inspiredby 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children). It's just observing other people and noticing that not all people are the same. here (11m15s - 12m45s). The day after they shut down the gibberish-talking robots, a mysterious barrier appeared around the lab, and no-one has heard from the researchers since. We are presently sitting on about 15,000 nuclear warheads, but somehow the world hasn't been blown to bits yet. What would happen if Facebook shut down and all its 1.2 billion users moved to Reddit?Enjoy! I saw this news on the tv While I was having dinner. Seems like everyone decided today was the day to call bullshit on this story. [–]Revoltwind 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (38 children). Others are science fiction. edit: If consciousness gives an advantage, then agents might converge to consciousness. Digital Journal publishes articles from any of it's members, and the members get points if their article is "In the News". A door has appeared in the barrier, and it's openi, [–]Pour_Louis -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children). Err, because said arsenal is sitting idly and don't pursue any goal at all? The folks at Nnaisense, who also aim to build AGI, say the same things about an AGI that takes over. EDIT#4: And now, BBC joins in to clear the air as well: BBC: The 'creepy Facebook AI' story that captivated the media, [–]Powlerbare 173 points174 points175 points 3 years ago* (4 children). Artificial Intelligence is a system of algorithms and architectural systems which assist the overall system (AI) to achieve one or several different tasks to then accomplish an overall goal. I’m convinced I have a special team assigned to me. Do you really think those people are the ones hyping it? It's more like they'll be a roadblock to the industry's growth, nothing else. According to that interview from 2011 he said that he thought AGI would not be far away once we had an AI agent that was capable of succeeding at playing multiple different video games with the same network, something DeepMind itself has been partially successful with their work on Atari games. Jinn (Arabic: الجن‎‎, al-jinn), also romanized as djinn or anglicized as genies (with the more broad meaning of demons), are supernatural creatures in early Arabian and later Islamic mythology and theology. More than this, it could be simple overfitting: two bots talk to each other and periodically fall into a loop. This is called survivorship bias. Cool stuff. [–]WikiTextBot 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). In that case I'd like to know what those "so and so" are. [–]goolulusaurs 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago* (12 children). Should We Stop It? When Facebook directed two of these semi-intelligent bots to talk to each other, FastCo reported, the programmers realized they had made an error by not incentivizing the chatbots to communicate according to human-comprehensible rules of the English language. Definitions of M.A.S and A.I often overlap. EDIT#1: Some people on Facebook are actually believing this fear to be real, sending me links and asking me about it. So why would anyone do this? [–]tabinop 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child). Until then, it's all just an r/iamverysmart circlejerk. These historical precedents render the entire argument put forth by Musk et al. Once the algorythms have caught you, after a certain number of times they probably auto restrict you. [–]NicoEssi 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (7 children). Musk is hard to parse because some of his statements are accurate. This is not a matter of AI hype, but a shift in mindset regarding trustworthiness in the news. All hype aside, this is a cool application of NLP that screams for a GAN-based adversarial regularization approach. There are many ways to sense, judge and act in the world. Story on Daily Kos. I'm a bot, bleep, bloop. Elon Musk has a financial interest in doing what he's doing. We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. This entire "the world is coming to an end because of [insert latest technological advance here]" has been repeated over and over throughout human history, and it clearly has never happened yet. [–]undefdev 42 points43 points44 points 3 years ago (4 children). Like Musk, he has no publications in the field that I know of and he is not taken seriously by experts. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. Sam Harris is not an expert in any field. Dismissive attitudes are funny and help discredit poorly thought-out arguments. Consciousness is not a prerequisite for intelligence. Elon Musk is partly to blame. People need to remember that just because someone is a good businessperson, it does not make them an AI subject matter expert (Musk). While some predictions may have come true; a vast majority have not. Listening to the fact that "the computers Alice and Bob started talking their own language which researchers couldn't understand" and "they had to shut it down because of fear and so on" made me really laugh. Point taken, but this has been especially pronounced in science journalism since long before "click-bait" was even a thing. Someone write an article on medium with a sensationalist 'AI's will kill us all' title only for the actual article to be level headed and fair. Hawking is a theoretical physicist, a field that is not even remotely connected to AI. Mathematically, you cannot "improve" in a vacuum; what it means to "improve" will always have to be defined beforehand or the program cannot work. Who knows how long it will last this time. I meant that I'll stick to what I know and I'll be skeptic about any claim of breakthrough in any feild, [–]thatguydr 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children). In particular, you should move house regularly. Like you said, an AI may only be hooked up to a limited set of interfaces to the physical world, but we can not necessarily predict what it will be able to achieve given those interfaces. Any proof that consciousness is not an emergent property? But I guess that depends a lot on the publishing process etc... (eg. Much like our own brains, you need different systems for different operations. If you listen to what he says, I think his statements are factual. [+]jrockIMSA08 comment score below threshold-15 points-14 points-13 points 3 years ago (2 children). The tradeoff is that we, as humanity, would have no clue what those machines were actually saying to one another. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov, This entire [...] has been repeated over and over. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. Surely this is much more efficient than whatever would need to be done to wipe out humanity? His company aims to build AGI, and by the way, he predicts AGI will arrive within decades. I legitimately thought it was satire. Interesting. The point of AI is to give us an edge in whatever application we'll use it in. It's ridiculous to construct an AI with its sole purpose to be "ensure genetic/code survival" as is the case for us humans. And you haven't yet proved your point that it is easy to create safe and sufficiently constraining utility functions and/or find when AI deviates from desired outcome before it is too late. AI is dangerous. [–]TiagoTiagoT 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child). The null hypothesis is that it's not with nothing to support the alternate hypothesis that it is. But again, if harm occurs then it would be a human error as why would one want to give a weapon the ability to reason itself out of obedience or servitude of its 'master', for a lack of a better word. If anything, forbidding to hire international AI developers would increase competition, not stifle it. Facebook Executives Shut Down Efforts to Make the Site Less Divisive The social-media giant internally studied how it polarizes users, then largely shelved the research [–]Artgor 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). Ok, I'll head back to /r/ConspiracyTheory/ now... [–]avaxzat 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child). [–]TiagoTiagoT 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (8 children). But before even considering making an AI that is conscious we would have to understand what that even means. If you want these to work together, an architecture is used that can effectively combine these smaller systems. It seems like there are good reasons to want to be careful. Working for a software company has convinced me that humanity is safe for now. Someone has linked to this thread from another place on reddit: If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads. Only now, we have difficulty distinguishing tabloid stories from credible ones. What do you expect would happen once this recursive self-improvement leads it to becoming smarter than humans? Worrying about it is irrational. https://shadowtolight.wordpress.com/2015/01/07/neuroscientist-sam-harris/, [–]Jonno_FTW 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago* (0 children). The difference in complexity is staggering. And then you spawn hundreds of articles saying "AI expert /u/Warlaw certain that AI will kill us all", "is your baby save from AI? Colorado-based Global Supertanker, the world’s largest firefighting plane, is shut down as fire season begins. it's now on headline of IT section at every news website in south korea, and people who are non-related to AI reacting is really funny tho. Who knows. A.I is just a buzzword but they're all M.A.Ss. © 2021 reddit inc. All rights reserved. That's bologna. [–]UsedToBePedantic 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]aleph__one 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]emtonsti 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago* (10 children). Also, I'm pretty sure there exist much more efficient ways of combatting spam than wiping out humanity. [–]josefjohann 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). It's not sentient and unlikely to ever be. We're only about 100 members but have the support of many notable and respected figures (mainly professors) in the industry and field of various academic domains. As someone who is currently pursuing a PhD in machine learning, I really don't appreciate that. The people in charge of said arsenal are anything but idle, which is the important point. The government regulation on an industry, regulations made by people who literally have no idea what they're talking about. [–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child). Are they sufficient against self-improving AI? Few American companies, first and foremost OpenAI, Tesla and whatever Musk will spin off from them, since by being the main lobbyist for regulation Musk will get to tailor it to his needs, and he will be the "trustworthy expert" that both politicians and the general public listens to. also, some vector being passed somewhere in an SVM or a random forest is also similar. [–]TiagoTiagoT 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children), [–]NicoEssi 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child). The criticism I have of Musk not being an expert in the subject matter at hand applies even more to Hawking. In the end I think the old adage "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" still summarizes my position best. [–]as_one_does 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children), He'll tell people that he's not a practicing neuroscientist and describes himself as a non-academic philosopher/author, though most lead-ins from interviews/talks will hype up the neuroscienist credential. And if it were to happen, a Skynet scenario, do they really think regulations are enough to stop it? Sounds like you agree it's dangerous, but expect people to just not try to get the advantage over their competitors/other countries that would come with such an advanced AI. Sometimes I wish these news weren't given to journalists and the Like if they know nothing about these topics. Considering it's clear to me that you aren't well educated on the subject (prior cues and not knowing what M.A.S stands for was a nail in the coffin for me as that's considered very basic knowledge when studying and constructing AI), I feel like you can further discuss this with other academics in the field that are more willing if you wish to have a productive conversation. [–]Jonno_FTW 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). More jobs are integrating more computer usage which will require more training to get higher pay. And Trump was the first, probably of many to come, presidents that gets elected by supporting those conspiracy theories. AlphaGo, Watson DeepDream... [–]Droggl 27 points28 points29 points 3 years ago (7 children). What he did was state some risks he perceived, and invested a lot of money in a sensible, worthwhile solution. No human in their right mind will use certain tools in a warfare, so we don't see them as weapons. A multi-agent system (M.A.S.) The fact that Alpha Go is just a program will not help you beat it, while playing by the rules. [–]skgoa 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). I do not think that superhuman AI in our lifetimes is at all implausible given recent advances and the rate and kind of new research that is being done, especially at places like DeepMind and OpenAI. The quality of such philosophizing is up for debate. There really is no excuse for the people spinning this into an AI scare story. But what I find most infuriating of all is that Musk is, indeed, an intelligent man. Will post link in comments. The line between those two terms are very murky and even the most prestigious of researchers have conflicting definitions. Lengthy shutdowns took place in … We just need to leverage the current status quo, that is by click-baitifying actual research results into news that is accurate and quickly consumed by the paranoid masses. 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